This is NOT a normal power supply... - ATX 12VO
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  • _thecati
    _thecati

    Very rare motherboard not available outside industry connections Linus: "pokes it with power connectors"

  • Less Energy
    Less Energy

    The environment is an excuse for companies to gouge consumers with more expensive hardware

  • Avi ben hamo
    Avi ben hamo

    I have an idea how to best utilize this 12v power supply with 12v UPS , manufacture of ups may build a new generation of ups that will connect between the power supply and the motherboard, this way the ups will not need to convert the 12v DC of the battery to 110/220v AC and west energy during the conversion and run the system for longer I assume that power supply manufacture will add external connectors on power supply for the new generation of 12v DC UPS . but this will leav us a problem with the screen, but screens with a external power brick can be a solution to have a desktop working on 12v DC battery like laptop for longer.

  • 780brando
    780brando

    This is silly, all this can and should be done in the power supply. Improving efficiency is great, this method not so much.

  • Lawrence McCreery
    Lawrence McCreery

    all that shyt and added failure points and reduced modularity for increased repair costs when things break more often, all that to save THIRTY WATTS? GTFO, california. I hope some one makes a rebel old school motherboard/power supply for sale outside california

  • the Unofficial
    the Unofficial

    I personally don't like this at all, at least in the beginning, things like this have habits of have put high price just because of rarity and claimed "new technology", i can imagine if this type of motherboard and power supply role out to consumer outside si and the few first manufacturers to produce price it high let say +$60 for $5-7 worth of smd components and $10 worth of soldering work

  • Brenton Smith
    Brenton Smith

    Dang, I was hoping that there would be a new style of connector that doesn't make it feel like you're going to break the board everytime you plug and unplug it

  • Jump OR Squeeze
    Jump OR Squeeze

    12VO is a bad idea

  • emil perhson
    emil perhson

    *Excited miner noises*

  • Kim Doyun
    Kim Doyun

    Hope this dies off on its own

  • Tron the Miner
    Tron the Miner

    I think it dose make some sense as going forward most people aren't using 5v and 3v anyway, however right now it doesn't make sense, maybe in 2 years and if they just keep the 24pin I could see it taking off if it was better efficiency at the same price.

  • Roy David
    Roy David

    Not gonna lie, you got me with that first segway.

  • Terri Webb
    Terri Webb

    Please don't like my comment!!! And definitely don't comment on it!!!

  • VoVillia Corp.
    VoVillia Corp.

    Let's just hope this goes well, because I had more PSUs fail on me than mobos, I would rather not have vice versa in the future.......

  • darkSorceror
    darkSorceror

    Big disadvantage as others have mentioned is the power conversion, although DC-DC and therefore simpler to do than AC-DC, will be handled by the motherboard vendor, and they can easily skimp on quality components, risking data loss for storage drives. Biggest advantage is eliminating the 3.3V rail, which nothing uses anymore, and in theory, the motherboard can power down (at least in part) the voltage conversion if the SATA ports are not populated. 5V will still be needed for USB peripherals, so DC-DC still needs to happen, but if USB and SATA power are on separate rails, then that's an entire rail that can be disconnected by a smart enough firmware. This is also a super-useful concept for people who dual-boot, and don't need to share drives between operating systems. Or even if they do need to share drives, having SATA power switched on or off as required by software would be cool. Say you have a Linux-driven workhorse machine, with a Windows Steam library on an HDD. Turn off the HDD power completely if you're not using it. Even better, have the BIOS turn on the drives as required on boot, to reduce the spikiness of power draw. For all its clunkiness with reused connectors and confusing pin-outs, there's potentially a lot of flexibility available in how power efficiency can be improved.

  • Nick Sequino
    Nick Sequino

    5:19 Me everyday at school

  • Ash Kebora
    Ash Kebora

    This is a half-assed fix. It introduces incompatibilities while pinning more on the mobo. Since they're introducing incompatibilities anyways ... why don't they just go ALL the way and say "The mobo only gets 12v. Your component wants something different? Convert it yourself." Then, any different voltage a component needs it can just create itself. Then people can stop bitching about the mobo breaking easier (it won't), an HDD losing its voltage won't spell doom for the whole mobo, and you get THE BEST solution for reducing trace/wire length carrying the lower voltage. Yes, you'll have more things converting electricity, each with their own losses, but they'll have losses in proportion to the power being used. They won't be using much power each.

  • Vike
    Vike

    Intel can fk off with this "new standard", another reason on the pile not to buy their crap.

  • Aiden Mckenney
    Aiden Mckenney

    so I need to shell out more money on new pc parts that I dont need to reduce idle power consumption...

  • Tyler Christensen
    Tyler Christensen

    All these wires coming off the MB to try and hide... This is dumb as hell.

  • HyugA Official
    HyugA Official

    The future be like: you guys need a powersupply?

  • AstralSnowstormOnGoogle
    AstralSnowstormOnGoogle

    The near future will see the rise of Eco-friendly gamers.

  • testsnake
    testsnake

    This is stupid

  • Shockburn
    Shockburn

    The voltage loss in the cables is a thing, but is easily solved by using better cables. This will make the PSU a bit more expensive but if you go for more efficiency you are going to pay more for your components anyway. i think the PSU should use the 12V DC-DC conversion internally, this way you are not bound to the motherboard supplying your power and maybe needing to extent and branch your power for all the devices you use. Also what i would like to know is what are the temps of the DC conversion, most of the time they should not get any mayor load but i am curious if you run a typical gaming setup to see how hot they become I think this power delivery is good for integrated and micro machines.

  • Dax Robinson
    Dax Robinson

    Why

  • The Eyles
    The Eyles

    How many components actually use the 24v (+/- 12v together), 5v, 3.3v directly, rather than converting them to other voltages? Also, how do laptops cope with things like usb power delivery that provides varying voltages, negotiated with chips in the motherboard, depending on the overall power requirement, thus requiring the motherboard to potentially change it's power conversion as this changes.

  • Brent Allen
    Brent Allen

    Intel: ...still achievable for micro-atx boards Mini-itx: :'(

  • FortyThievesOrkestar
    FortyThievesOrkestar

    Howdy

  • christopher ornoski
    christopher ornoski

    I refute it. I will not use it. Looks like a headache and a half. The Gods are not amused.

  • AlexDD99
    AlexDD99

    I can use my Titanium power supplie for 15 years and save money. It make no sense to speck down the only thing in a PC that you can use in for 10+ years. What will work on a Motherboard + power supplie, why this will not work in a power supplie only?

  • Dark Angel
    Dark Angel

    11:20 that is wrong for the power supplies I have seen. They all run from the main rail and have DC to DC converters for the others. Feel free to correct me if im wrong

  • Knowledge Gained
    Knowledge Gained

    a lot of things that you do on this channel aren't normal Linus.

  • brianr101010
    brianr101010

    Is Thermaltake a good/decent power supply, or is a bomb waiting to go off?

  • hengineer
    hengineer

    Linus = Ryan Reynolds

  • Agent Rogue
    Agent Rogue

    I strongly doubt this standard will ever take off outside of OEM builds because of how much more can go wrong with something like this and how bad this can go for custom builders. OEMs will probably love this however since they can keep people from being able to pull systems apart and just easily chuck some components in a new system without much training without frying it, making things more disposable. Energy is conserved however ewaste is way worse. The other issue VO has is that for custom builds where tons and tons of storage is required, what will likely be required is some 12V to 5V converters inside the case to provide power to more drives

  • Voss Li
    Voss Li

    This reminds me of a dell OEM board and psu. Thats not a good thing

  • Trashloot
    Trashloot

    One of the best things about building a pc is that you cant plug something in to the wrong socket. (Well you can but you rly have to try.) Why do wee need new power supplies with cables that fit into sata ports only to fry them ?

  • Ryan Slomkowski
    Ryan Slomkowski

    LMAO "I sent you my bottle, pls respond"

  • Ahmad Sattout
    Ahmad Sattout

    So this PSU is basically for riches that own large M.2s, and high end Cases

  • Sammert Koeli
    Sammert Koeli

    do u get payed to put people with masks in your show????

  • William Preston
    William Preston

    Lenovo dell and hp have been doing this stuff for a while. So now we can actually replace the proprietary psus (assuming these have constant 12v so power button still work)

  • Pingman
    Pingman

    I think my 80+ Titanium rated 99% efficient PSU is probably as good as this.

  • C G
    C G

    I have a Lenovo h 50-50 machine with a shark bay motherboard that uses a 14 pin connector, and all the sata devices get power from the motherboards 4 pin sata power connector. The original power supply was 180 watts, and only had the 14 pin motherboard cable and the 4 pin cpu cable coming out of it, that's it.

  • Carlos Morillo
    Carlos Morillo

    i can't even get mad at the sponsor ad delivery

  • Anders Eklund
    Anders Eklund

    Interesting video. We'll see where it goes. I mean people do have points that this complicates things but also if it improves efficiency thats a good thing, like you guys say its only in the experimental stage right now

  • Mokemyth
    Mokemyth

    man i hope this stays with intel and doesnt spread to amd boards

  • Shehzad Azeem Khan Official
    Shehzad Azeem Khan Official

    Yeah except for HP PCs

  • HMan
    HMan

    First, it's NOT more efficient overall. It's only more efficient at very low load. The reason ATX power supplies convert from AC to DC in one stage for each rail is because voltage conversion losses multiply with each additional stage. So let's say you have a power supply that is 85% efficient at conversion for each of the stages. If you instead take the 5v from the 12v, conversion efficiency is 85% of 85%, or 72%. Literally the ONLY use case where it would probably be beneficial to have this is in an environment with A LOT of PCs that are idle most of the time. Even then, there are better solutions, like an organization wide group policy to enforce sleep mode... If you stick that into a gaming PC or a workstation, you are effectively converting 5v and 3.3v at lower efficiency, adding thermal load to your motherboard instead of having it isolated in the power supply... Meaning your case needs more cooling, meaning even worse efficiency under load... Skipping the load test was disingenuous, if you had measured power usage under load before and after, under different loads (load one core at a time and take a reading), you could have derived an actual duty cycle where it made sense to use those instead of ATX... The real way to deal with this is with a "bridgeless" power supply, converting directly from AC to DC without a transformer or rectifier... Efficiency as high a 98.2% have been demonstrated as far back as 2015 ( www.ti.com/lit/ug/tidubc5/tidubc5.pdf?ts=1600058534101&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.ti.com%252Ftool%252FPMP10948 ). Convert from 120VAC to 380VDC at 98.2%, and then use big caps and big FETs to PWM and filter 380VDC to 12V, 5V and 3.3V @ ~95% efficiency, final efficiency is 98.2% x 95% = ~93.3% end to end power conversion efficiency. But that makes for a much more complicated and expensive power supply...

  • chileo1
    chileo1

    Completely shit and unnecessary idea. Totally pointless and bad for so many reasons

  • Cat Teenager
    Cat Teenager

    optiplex uses atx 12vo and gets its sata and 5v off of the motherboard

  • Mert A
    Mert A

    OKAY FINE, you win, I'll Google Glasswire and see what they're about...

  • Mr. Potato
    Mr. Potato

    When he said "speaking of play" I was convinced he was heading towards a Raid Shadow Legends segway lol😂

  • Lamboshot3
    Lamboshot3

    Before you bash the new 12VO standard... This will mostly be used in system integrators, where they use imbedded processors that suck up very little power. They'll rarely be put under load (think about what the government will use them for). Plus, almost everything on a motherboard uses 12 Volt anyway. CPU, GPU, the motherboard itself. The only thing I see being phased out are SATA 2.5 inch and 3.5 inch drives. But, those can be converted on the drive level. No, the reliability of a motherboard won't go down. Motherboards already use mostly 12 Volt and they already contain a large amount of power conversion circuits. Don't spread misinformation if you're uneducated on how a motherboard works!

  • ThePhxRises
    ThePhxRises

    The 12v on the mobo is exactly how my HP computer (around a year old now) does it with its Berks mobo. It sucks, and I'm transplanting that PC into a new case/PSU/mobo soon. The HP implementation is 100% proprietary, and they don't sell parts for it. I literally had to make my own SATA power cable to install a new drive.

  • TendiePepe
    TendiePepe

    Or maybe it's just another Intel money making scheme?

  • Mohammad Ghuzlan
    Mohammad Ghuzlan

    Why they didn't make a power supply with integrated DC to DC converter with old spec???♥️♥️♥️

  • TeAm GaMiNG
    TeAm GaMiNG

    And then there's me using a Antec Truepower Quattro 1200W from 2010 ....Sorry Planet :/

  • B. G.
    B. G.

    rather have the cost on the PSU. I am on the 3rd or 4th MB on my current PSU so would rather spend there versus on the MB since they get replace more frequently, at least for me.

  • Tau
    Tau

    Yep. All transformers have parasitic losses. In general the more you have the more power you waste if they're not doing much. Having only two 12v converters will greatly improve efficiency.

  • Dalton
    Dalton

    Exactly how little power do you lose in wire losses for most PCs on the 5v and 3.3v rails? usually those devices are very low power and away from the motherboard so losses are still close to the same. Maybe the only way to lose those losses is a converter in the actual connector but I'm sure that could get expensive. This sounds like companies trying to fool politicians into thinking they're making things more efficient for a wash when in reality nothing is free and for a little efficiency you'd have to add a lot of points of failure and a ton of cost and possibly electrical noise creation.

  • Ethan Chow
    Ethan Chow

    Dell slimline proprietary psu👁👄👁

  • Ethan Chow
    Ethan Chow

    Picopsu 👁👄👁

  • Ninja Aqua
    Ninja Aqua

    i came to linus just to see the perfect sponsorship

  • Aaron Slippery
    Aaron Slippery

    Lenovo has been doing this standard for awhile now. My i5 3470 pc has the same where only the mobo (lenovo's 14 pin only has 12v and -12v )14 pin and 4 pin were on the psu lol

  • Bonksticker
    Bonksticker

    This so called solution,making other voltage from 12 volts can also happend inside a existing PSU,only the desing of the internal electronics needs to be modified. I do not ned other parts on my board that are non essential..like DC to DC convertors for external devices....It is fully unneccesary to do this on the motherboard itself.

    • Lunchbox13
      Lunchbox13

      agreed. mamy psus already do that internally and this just would make motherboards bigger.

  • Just Some Person
    Just Some Person

    LOL Well in theory I get it. It saves power, in theory. We ditched the floppy drive. More and more systems are ditching the optical drive. (I never will because I'm a Luddite and watch DVDs on my PC.) In theory a lot of systems can be 12V only and even "legacy" wackos like me can probably make due with the "legacy" power adaption from the mobo. I guess. (Though I'm not sure those standoffs can handle my usual 4 disk RAID 5 redundancy for, you know, project files that I really don't want to lose.) But... I guess I'm still wondering why the same logic in the PSU itself isn't there. Especially as the 3.3V and 5V rails could just be turned off if nothing draws power on them after 10 seconds. Or some such. The only real reason to put it on the mobo instead of the PSU is ... cables? I guess? But in most cases the hard drives/SSDs are going to be closer to the PSU than those headers on the mobo ... so ... worse cabling? Eh. I'd rather just see smarter PSUs become a government mandate for all rather than a high-end option that most consumers don't even realize exist. But I'm a Luddite, so what do I know? LOL In MY day power supplies had THREE voltages. Uphill. Both ways. In the snow! Now get off my lawn!

  • SRTech
    SRTech

    Bravo Mr. Sebastian! U got me on the opening sponsor spot! Bravo!!!

  • DOGMA1138
    DOGMA1138

    Most modern PSU's don't have multiple AC to DC rails, they convert AC to 12VDC then convert DC to DC for the minor rails, you can even see the DC to DC section on many PSU's being placed on a separate PCB.

    • DOGMA1138
      DOGMA1138

      @Lunchbox13 The main reason for the ATX 12VO format is pretty much to hack through some silly power efficiency requirements for standby power, the standby power on modern ATX PSUs is quite high because of the standby rail the ATX12VO eliminates it so essentially all ATX 12VO PSUs will have zero or near zero standby power consumption. Now it doesn't mean that an ATX 12VO PC will have low standby consumption because that would be dependant on how the system itself maintains standby but it should still be enough for most system integrations, especially since standalone motherboards might not have to meet these requirements in the first place. The simplest way of looking at this is that the spec basically implements the same power distribution system that most laptops have where they have a single rail voltage coming from the battery that then goes through a DC to DC conversion for the power rails required to run the actual motherboard.

    • Lunchbox13
      Lunchbox13

      yep. i mean if system integrators were forced to use 80+ gold or something this would never happen.

  • mouse mickey
    mouse mickey

    think about ALL THE ENERGY being wasted buying intel at all rite , got buy new mobo EVERY SINGLE TIME , psu now yeah rite save 10 cents but we going WASTE hundreds making you purchase all these things over again because they are not compatible EVERY SINGLE TIME > yeahhhhh rite intel . MAKE NEW CPU TO COMPETE WITH AMD AND STOP THIS CRAP

  • mouse mickey
    mouse mickey

    is this "actually" an Intel ONLY PSU like every cpu they sell you got buy "EVERYTHING" INCLUDING the PSU for Intel ? LMAOLMAO more Intel CRAP , next year Intel going make you open "NEW BANK ACCOUNT" just to buy their CRAP .

    • Lunchbox13
      Lunchbox13

      yeaaa... you are just wrong. not only is it not manifactured by intel exclusively, they just develop it, but AMD could probably use it aswell.

  • Konrad Zielinski
    Konrad Zielinski

    Sure for your one pc at home this makes little difference. But scale it up to an entire office building or datecenter with thousands of computers and it adds up. As others have said propriatary systems like this have been out for years. Having it standerdised is a good thing.

    • Lunchbox13
      Lunchbox13

      But consider this: many psu's alrrady convert ac to 12v dc and then convert that to other voltages. which basically means that if system integrators were forced to use 80+ gold standards this solution would be piontless. and motherboards would be more compact

  • Mike Litoris
    Mike Litoris

    i am optimistically looking forward to 12vo going to households' computers. Believe or not, most of the time we're spending in front of computer, the computer is actually idling. Unless you are firing up you pc to autostart battlefield2 and shutdown after getting rushed b ;d. But i am surprised that Linus did not mentioned that same principle drives at least laptops since middle ages (Christoph Columubs confirmed this one). Single power source (like charger or battery) and handful of dc2dc converters on board to create all neccessary power rails.

  • Warrior Me´s
    Warrior Me´s

    I'm feeling conflicted about this. I think on the technical side it makes sense, so many devices have some degree of voltage conversion built in anyway, and usage of the 5V and 3.3V rails is becoming less and less already... On the other hand, this would only really make sense if 5V and 3V was also converted on each device. Having to plug drives etc. Into the MB kinda undermines the whole point of this...

  • DG Burns
    DG Burns

    Here's the problem I see with 12V0 and this comparison. The idle state measurements were taken with what I couldn't tell were comparable 5V and such loads. I didn't see anything plugged to the 5V receptacles on the motherboard, were there any plugged in to SATA or MOLEX or whatever on the baseline system? The DC-DC conversion on the 12V0 motherboard isn't "free" from either a overall efficiency OR heat generation perspective, if they are used they'll lower efficiency and generate heat. It feels like an unfair comparison if the 5V and such loads weren't "normalized" across the two systems. Yes, I can see the advantages when a system moves away from needing those other voltages, thus in theory the DC-DC converters would be essentially "idle", but if OEM's and SI's starting plugging stuff in to those onboard power receptacles (spinning rust, control circuits or peripherals that need 5V, etc.), I'm betting the efficiency gains might go out the window. Also, isn't USB 5V? How much USB draw was there across the two systems compared, the same? And lastly, what kind of DUMB is this in a "gaming" motherboard targeted for "enterprise" use???

  • CreeperOnYourHouse
    CreeperOnYourHouse

    Linus mentions that more expensive PSUs use a single 12V output, which then uses DC to DC conversion like the motherboard does in this context. Where can I find one that would fit an mITX case? 11:52

  • Arwo
    Arwo

    You know,.... usually the Segway into sponsorships are kinda obvious I did not see this one coming XD

  • FangerZero
    FangerZero

    I look forward to seeing this come mainstream.

  • Hanro50
    Hanro50

    I don't see the benefit over a conventional ATX power supply... hopefully it fails in the main consumer space. Also... I feel like any efficiency gained will probably be lost if you pair this with a cheap motherboard. Meaning to get a system with a high efficiency you need both an expensive motherboard and an expensive PSU instead of just an Expensive PSU.

    • Lunchbox13
      Lunchbox13

      i dont think you get the point here. tje psu woild actually be cheaper but the issue is that good psu's do all this stuff internally and the problem would be eliminated if we forced system integrators to use 80+ gold standards, for example.

  • Shadowriver
    Shadowriver

    9:25 There been power circuit check pin (motherboard informing power supply that power flow is ok) and power on control pin that other connectors don't have, only thru that connector power supply can be turned on.

  • ᅟᅟ
    ᅟᅟ

    It still doesn’t have that new 12 pin GPU connector so already outdated before it even came out😂😂😂

  • Wistbacka
    Wistbacka

    I have so many sata and molex powered devices in my PC that this would just not work for me... Not right now at least.

  • Joe Bui
    Joe Bui

    Newer Dell optiplex systems have been doing this for a while now. Basically just a server power supply. I've been converting psus like this for a while now.

  • Lesley Schultze
    Lesley Schultze

    Why not add another layer to the rear of the motherboard that is only for power delivery, with connector ports located on the MOBO front, this way there is no cables other than the PSU pin in, (make it all in 1 block, just 1 big cable block for everything from PSU to MOBO) then have it directed around a power grid. All you need do then is plug whatever you need into the MOBO power output sockets on the board front. Effectively the MOBO has a power grid built in to the rear of the board you can tap in to at several locations, for example a PCI output next to every PCI slot, a PSU fan output next to the PSU, a PSU power connector runs directly from the power connector to the CPU, no 4 or 8 pin needed as this can run through a rear power grid. You get the idea. This way no PSU redesign is needed, no cable management and everything is tidy and most importantly, the MOBO gains no additional points of failure or capacitors that may fail over time.

  • Lukas Hall
    Lukas Hall

    Assuming these end up in the consumer market: If the main worry is the cost to the motherboard, or the converter failing and having to buy a new motherboard entirely, would they not make this component swappable? Or even make a an entirely new module within the PC? Then you could actively cool it, replace it, or upgrade it - just like any other component. Am I wrong to think this is would be the most likely route, or am I just not as cynical as most people? I feel like most everyone upset or freaking out about this is looking at it like it is a "right now" kind of thing when in reality, and like all other changes to the tech we use everyday, this would simply be a gradual integration. And considering the draw of the upcoming GPUs, probably being a base recommendation of 750W, most of the systems we have and are building today will be obsolete in the next 4-5 years anyway. If you are building a new rig a few years out and this is an option (not the standard....yet), then why would this be anything but a truly good thing? You will already be creating e-waste at that point, it would be more energy-efficient, it will incorporate iterative improvements from its' time on integrated systems, and it is an elegant method of delivering the same amount of performance while reducing the heat and clutter produced by standard PSUs. Adding logic or AI to the system to control what the component is outputting would only further benefit it, too. IMO.

  • Someonelse
    Someonelse

    I was hoping for one cable out from the PSU, with one beefy connector, to reduce cable clutter, instead there were MORE cables coming out of the PSU

  • Joey Baby
    Joey Baby

    Linus' hair is the best thing in this video

  • Tardis_Who
    Tardis_Who

    it would work better if the rail was separate not on the motherboard that way if "upgrade" apply no need to spend more and cost more - like the Seasonic Power Supply in the - THIS is a power supply?? Video and people can just buy a rail for future compatibility @Copyright ;)

  • Nicolas Perez Batista
    Nicolas Perez Batista

    10 okay

  • Gabe Fonseca
    Gabe Fonseca

    Where can I get a psu wattage draw tool from?

  • Keith Verret
    Keith Verret

    AMD: We are using pci-e gen 4! Intel: uhhh.. we have.. umm.. new power regulations at 12v!

    • Keith Verret
      Keith Verret

      Sounds like you and I ended up arguing similar points man. It might not happen today but if efficiency keeps moving in the direction it is, we will see it shift to the consumer market.

    • Anton Taylor
      Anton Taylor

      @Keith Verret It would be great to move the masses to 12v, because ATX is wasteful. 5v and 3.3v went obsolete with the Pentium 2. ATX PSU's have to be built with massive 5v and 3.3v rails. 100w each roughly, in a 500w PSU. Most motherboards use 3.3v for signalling standby mode to PCIe cards, and one or two other minor things - you're looking at miliamps of draw on +3.3v. 5v is used for USB (miliamps per port usually, but up to 2.5w if you want to charge a phone). Its used for logic circuits on HDD's. That's usually miliamps per drive. 12v usually spins the drive. Now, as a former NOC engineer, I can tell you that ditching 5v and 3.3v rails means huge efficiency gains. PSU's built for circa 100w on a rail are very inefficient when running far out of spec - and so they need to be vastly more complicated to compensate for that. By putting VRM's on the motherboard, you can use VRM's that are more suited to the loads you know that they will see. This is the whole reason why Dell, HP, and Lenovo ditched ATX in servers and desktops years ago. Pennies worth of VRM's in the motherboard is better than dozens of dollars worth of overengineered VRM's in the PSU. Anyone who needs more +5v than the motherboard can supply can simply add a buck converter. I buy 12v to 5v 2a bucks for less than £2 each, and they're 98% efficient. Adapters already exist to convert ATX to power HP/Dell/Lenovo 12v. Small changes would make them work with ATX12V or ATX12VO. And there are 12v adapters for ATX (mainly aimed at the carputer crowd) that can adapt 12vo to run an ATX motherboard. So whilst the PSU manufacturers have already stated that they will not be bringing this to the consumer market, because ATX is making them more money, there are solutions if it does come.

    • Keith Verret
      Keith Verret

      Well, if you take a look at the history of powered electronics, you'll notice the adapters, the connectors, and the power throughput have all changed over the years. Or have we just had we been using computers the size of rooms this whole time or ribbon cables or molex? No, sadly things change. Sooner or later. It's an inevitability of life. Hearing about 12VO now, just bc it's only being used for or by system integrators now, doesn't mean it won't be adopted by the masses as the next new standard. If you take a look at trends over time, power cost is reduced, the connection is changed to be more efficient, and design becomes more streamlined or changed or adapted as need be. So basically history, the advances we've seen over the last 3-4 decades. We adopted sata for the hdd and ssd connector, when it use to be molex for power. Older motherboards used to have 10pin and 20pin connectors with a different voltage system than the 12v/5.5v/3v system we are currently using. Things change as they always have. That is what makes me "think" we will adopt it sooner as apposed to later.

    • Anton Taylor
      Anton Taylor

      @Keith Verret What makes you think we will be forced to adopt it sooner or later? ATX12V came out about 2 years after ATX. No one was forced to adopt it over the last 20 years, what makes you think this minor update changes anything?

    • Keith Verret
      Keith Verret

      I'm aware of all of that my guy. However it is a standard we builders will end up being forced to adopt sooner or later. Anyway, the above is what's called a joke.. an anecdote of my creation if you will. Please don't take life so seriously.

  • Mr Mister
    Mr Mister

    efficiency is good, but ultimately, it’s all in the source

  • Fear Labs Audio
    Fear Labs Audio

    I'm surprised they didnt do a 24v or 48v rail. 12v still seems low.

  • Michael Aders
    Michael Aders

    Why is that idiot sitting at home alone with a mask on?

  • qwormuli
    qwormuli

    How about no?

  • Kenneth Hammer
    Kenneth Hammer

    For all of those who are talking about it increasing upgrade costs, I think it would be a "one time cost". In other words, while you may normally keep the same PSU, just upgrading the motherboard/CPU and so on, one time, you would need to replace the PSU, as well. I doubt they would be requiring new PSUs every "consumer upgrade cycle", as others have noted, consumers themselves would, essentially, revolt over it. I do think they could do better with the plugs, from the PSU to the Motherboard, and hope that if/when they get released to/become standard for consumer PSUs/Motherboards, they include modular capability on the PSU. While the Motherboard power cable may or may not be "fixed", I still prefer modularity on the rest of the PSU's connections. One potential downside would be, though, adding new SATA devices. Currently, even if the motherboard only supports, say, 6 SATA connections, but your case supports more (hard drives and disc drives) you can get around that by a RAID Card, and MOLEX Adapters from the PSU, with the "power ports" fixed to the motherboard, they would need to "figure something out". I also wonder whether or not AMD adopting support for the standard, with their chipsets/CPUs could play a factor in it being widely adopted. I'm not sure whether the various conversion aspects play a role with the Chipset, or if it's "purely mechanical" on the Motherboard, independent of the CPU/Chipset. Hence, why I said that if the CPU/Chipset does play some kind of role, AMD's adoption could be the gamechanger on whether there's widespread adoption in the consumer marketplace, willingly or unwillingly, at first.

  • W. Shawn Wilkerson
    W. Shawn Wilkerson

    Janice sighting

  • Bob Saget
    Bob Saget

    Lminus tecmh tips say rgb make compootor moor effcient???

  • Raul Cohen
    Raul Cohen

    I clarify that it is not a new technology, in the old lenovo thinkcentre m93p they already used the 12vo system, do not panic, the motherboard is the one that provides the power for the recorder and sata disks.

  • linerror
    linerror

    So just like all my servers, 12vdc for everything

  • Shawn Red
    Shawn Red

    Didn't expect 0:57

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